The Eligibility Roast Post
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villainous_big_bang This is the official Eligibility Roast Post! (I did not do that on purpose, but why change a good thing?)
This will open officially on February 15th, but there's definitely some folks already excited - so from now until Feb 15th, comments will be screened. This means you can post your roast, but rebuttals and confirmations of eligibility won't start happening until the 15th.
Comments are unscreened! You can still post new comments, but now you can respond as well - let the counter-roasting BEGIN!
This post closes for comments on the 29th.
Here's how this works. Comment below with your argument concerning a villain from any piece of media - anime, video game, concept album, group of advertisements, any fictional medium with something resembling a Story - and why they are, in fact, a villain. You can be as daring as you want, but here are the main things your argument needs to cover.
1) Does the story seem to think this character is a villain?
2) Is the character villainous from the perspective of other characters?
3) Is the character villainous from the perspective of readers?
The format is pretty loose, but here's an example for one of the villains already on the list.
TITLE: ENVY (FMA 2003) ROAST
"Envy from Fullmetal Alchemist (2003) is a villain of the worst kind - he's cruel, sadistic and self-centered. He's most known for the murder of a beloved fan-favourite, but he also taunts the main characters with their own mistakes and uses his shape-shifting powers to get into people's heads. He never shows any remorse, and while he has a sympathetic backstory, it only shows up at the end and doesn't excuse any of his actions. He also beats the crap out of a ten-year-old, more than once, which just solidifies the case for him being a Grade-A Asshole."
Please include the specific franchise they're from (if you want to make a case for Envy from FMA; Brotherhood that's a new post!), list some of their misdeeds and in general keep in mind that the mods have not seen or read most of the franchises you'll likely be referencing.
If you would like to REBUT somebody's villain roast, just reply to their comment and explain why the character is - in your view - not a villain! Keep in mind that while Serious Meta is entertaining in its own right, this is largely just for fun. If you start getting really, truly personally invested in whether we do or don't see a character as a villain, take a moment to go catch your breath.
What villain is NOT code for:
'ethically wrong to like' character
pedophile
monster with no redeeming qualities (it's true for some of them, but not all!)
unredeemable
unlikeable
What eligibility roasts should NOT do:
'This is why [X] was justified'
'Sure, it was genocide, but it wasn't THAT bad.'
Otherwise downplay the villainous deeds - that's the exact opposite of what we want!
As villains are approved, they'll appear on the eligibility list.
Comments are unscreened! You can still post new comments, but now you can respond as well - let the counter-roasting BEGIN!
This post closes for comments on the 29th.
Here's how this works. Comment below with your argument concerning a villain from any piece of media - anime, video game, concept album, group of advertisements, any fictional medium with something resembling a Story - and why they are, in fact, a villain. You can be as daring as you want, but here are the main things your argument needs to cover.
1) Does the story seem to think this character is a villain?
2) Is the character villainous from the perspective of other characters?
3) Is the character villainous from the perspective of readers?
The format is pretty loose, but here's an example for one of the villains already on the list.
TITLE: ENVY (FMA 2003) ROAST
"Envy from Fullmetal Alchemist (2003) is a villain of the worst kind - he's cruel, sadistic and self-centered. He's most known for the murder of a beloved fan-favourite, but he also taunts the main characters with their own mistakes and uses his shape-shifting powers to get into people's heads. He never shows any remorse, and while he has a sympathetic backstory, it only shows up at the end and doesn't excuse any of his actions. He also beats the crap out of a ten-year-old, more than once, which just solidifies the case for him being a Grade-A Asshole."
Please include the specific franchise they're from (if you want to make a case for Envy from FMA; Brotherhood that's a new post!), list some of their misdeeds and in general keep in mind that the mods have not seen or read most of the franchises you'll likely be referencing.
If you would like to REBUT somebody's villain roast, just reply to their comment and explain why the character is - in your view - not a villain! Keep in mind that while Serious Meta is entertaining in its own right, this is largely just for fun. If you start getting really, truly personally invested in whether we do or don't see a character as a villain, take a moment to go catch your breath.
What villain is NOT code for:
'ethically wrong to like' character
pedophile
monster with no redeeming qualities (it's true for some of them, but not all!)
unredeemable
unlikeable
What eligibility roasts should NOT do:
'This is why [X] was justified'
'Sure, it was genocide, but it wasn't THAT bad.'
Otherwise downplay the villainous deeds - that's the exact opposite of what we want!
As villains are approved, they'll appear on the eligibility list.
League of Legends villains
Date: 2020-02-08 04:22 am (UTC)Jinx - serial killer/mass murderer.
Ezreal - selfish adrenaline junkie who DESTROYS ANCIENT RUINS AND STEALS ANCIENT ARTIFACTS in the name of 'exploring', absolute worst sort of archeologist, zero respect for the civilizations he robs from. Even his gauntlet is stolen!
Swain - imperialist asshole who turned in his own family for treachery to the crown, led invasions of other countries, bound himself to a DEMON.
Talon - assassin who goes around killing people for a man who beat him nearly to death to ensure his obedience.
Zed - shadow-possessed traitor to his adopted family, chopped off his adopted father's dead.
Teemo - if you have ever played League, you know this is true. YOU KNOW.
Re: League of Legends villains
Date: 2020-02-15 09:59 am (UTC)Re: League of Legends villains
From:Star Wars: Deep Space Nine
Date: 2020-02-08 04:24 am (UTC)MIRRORVERSE Gul Garak & Worf: It's Mirrorverse. Of course they're evil if they're good guys in the standard continuity!
Re: Star Wars: Deep Space Nine
Date: 2020-02-17 03:51 pm (UTC)Mirrorverse Worf also participates in the human slave trade. He captures mirrorverse!Garak and treats him like a literal dog (chained down with a collar) before realizing they could use each other, with both participating in the murder of the human freedom forces.
Re: Star Wars: Deep Space Nine
From:Kuroko no Basuke
Date: 2020-02-08 04:31 am (UTC)Seijuuro Akashi - split personality, one of which is evil and mocks everyone and crushes their hopes.
Imayoshi Shōichi - only person who knows what Hanamiya is like, conspires with him to cover it up. Even Hanamiya thinks he has a terrible personality! Fakes being nice, makes lots of terrible underhanded jabs, extremely manipulative.
Re: Kuroko no Basuke
Date: 2020-02-28 05:37 pm (UTC)Seijuuro sounds a little more like an anti-hero, complicated by the split personality - I read up on him a bit and I know I don't have full context, but I don't think he qualifies. (Although it's kind of hard to gauge on a sports anime.)
Silmarilion/Lord of the Rings
Date: 2020-02-08 04:57 am (UTC)Mairon/Sauron - Melkor's second-in-command, forged a bunch of rings that overthrew people's will and turned them into wraiths, enslaved and massacred people especially elves, tried to take over all of Middle Earth.
Re: Silmarilion/Lord of the Rings
Date: 2020-02-15 10:14 pm (UTC)Homura Akemi (Madoka Magika) Roast
Date: 2020-02-08 08:02 am (UTC)Re: Homura Akemi (Madoka Magika) Roast
Date: 2020-02-15 10:11 pm (UTC)HOWEVER I definitely want some more folks chiming in on this one!
Jason Todd (Batman) Roast
Date: 2020-02-08 08:08 am (UTC)Re: Jason Todd (Batman) Roast
Date: 2020-02-15 09:44 am (UTC)I didn't nominate him myself because I actually think that he's more of an anti-hero than a villain (he PRIMARILY kills bad guys, I'm not going to say a kid killing a rapist is a bad thing) since he doesn't really go out of his way to kill the heroes unless they interfere with him or go after him first. Which, of course they do, because they don't approve of killing at all, even if it's only bad guys that die.
THAT SAID, within the context of the DC universe, he's WAY more to the dark side on the sliding scale of cynicism vs idealism. He's sort of like the Punisher, really, where yes he's killing the bad guys but HE KILLS A LOT OF BAD GUYS, which 'purer' heroes find objectionable?
I actually think in a setting like The Authority, they wouldn't consider him a bad guy, especially since he's back with the Batfam now, but I'm not trying to downplay the fact that Jason kills a lot of people! I just wanted to give more context for why Jason, to me, is more of an anti-hero than an actual villain.
(Closest comparison I can think of is the Punisher and if you've seen the Netflix show, you KNOW that dude's got a body count like a dog has hair. The Daredevil/Punisher crossover ep perfectly demonstrates the line where Jason falls, damned by the angels for slaying the demons.)
Re: Jason Todd (Batman) Roast
From:ROASTING DABI (MHA)
Date: 2020-02-08 09:39 pm (UTC)Second of all the man is part of a group of terrorists called the League of Villains, which couldn’t be more straightforward if it TRIED. On top of that, he’s even regarded as an asshole among OTHER VILLAINS because while he’s got some commitment to the League’s founding principles, he’s exclusively and openly there to achieve his own goals and is ultimately self-serving.
Have I mentioned that he just sets people on fire? Because he does that! A lot! For super petty reasons and with little to no remorse! He also aids in the raiding of the hero school training camp and the kidnapping of a student. He’s unambiguously and unapologetically a villain, within the narrative and to readers/viewers.
Re: ROASTING DABI (MHA)
Date: 2020-02-28 05:39 pm (UTC)League of Legends: Skin Specific, Battle Bosses
Date: 2020-02-09 04:28 am (UTC)I'm quoting the official character blubs before for the specific cases where chars are villains!
Battle Boss Blitzcrank: A boss hailing from a popular science fiction shooter, Blitzcrank is well known in the gaming community for cheap mechanics, powerful attacks, and a massive health pool. Veigar fittingly made him the gatekeeper of his personal fortress, because Veigar hates fun.
Battle Boss Brand:
The fire boss from a bestselling action game, Brand has no intention of returning to his original machine. He'd rather see all of Arcade World burn to the ground, to be rebuilt in the image of the villains who rule it.
Battle Boss Malzahar:
A boss hailing from a long-forgotten game cabinet, Malzahar broke free from the last remaining copy of his game to invade nearby machines. Now he has made his way to Arcade World, shredding the code of his enemies with an army of intelligent viruses.
Battle Boss Qiyana:
A princess constantly in need of saving in the 1981 arcade port of “Super Ixaocan Bros.,” Qiyana needed very little convincing to empower herself with malignant Battle Boss code. She wasted no time testing her newfound abilities on the aforementioned Super Ixaocan Brothers. They're dead now. She lives in their castle.
Final Boss Veigar:
Once merely a mini-boss with a Napoleon complex, Veigar has ripped into the code of Arcade World to summon hundreds of other bosses to his side. Together they'll stop at nothing to reach his ultimate goal: take the world for himself, and give the heroes a final Game Over.
Battle Boss Ziggs:
A boss originally from Super Yordle Bombers, Ziggs was transported to Arcade World for one purpose: blow up everything. Armed with his signature explosives (and the programming to use them!) he has wrought digital destruction the way only an angry mini-boss can.
League of Legends: Skin Specific, Battle Bosses
Date: 2020-02-09 04:35 am (UTC)Creator Viktor
The creator of the Battlecast machine army, Viktor has perfected the art of transplanting living brains into low-tech, mass-produced weapons. But his work is far from complete, and even now he tinkers on newer, deadlier creations to crush all who oppose him.
Battlecast Prime Cho'Gath
The gold standard of Battlecast shock troopers, Prime Cho'Gath implements self-replicating nanites that reinforce its frame as it consumes living tissue. It has become a common and terrifying sight in occupied cities, where it feeds on civilians who won't submit to conversion.[1]
Battlecast Urgot
A titanium juggernaut used to crush pockets of particularly stubborn resistance, the Battlecast Urgot model is rarely seen but widely feared. Its extensive weapons systems are complemented by a massive, flesh-grinding spike mill, which it pulls fleeing opponents into for sheer spectacle.
Battlecast Xerath
The question of the human soul has always intrigued Viktor, and so he set to work building a Battlecast machine capable of harnessing it. The resulting Xerath units are twisted, hellish monsters imprisoned in a cage of psychic energy, constantly discharging superheated plasma toward any opponent in range.
League of Legends: Skin Specific, Blood Moon
Date: 2020-02-09 04:38 am (UTC)Blood Moon Akali
Priestesses of the Blood Moon walk their own path, traveling far from the cult to pursue the whispers of their demons. A meditative figure living deep in the snow-dusted wood, Akali was the first woman to embrace her inner darkness, and speak directly with the Blood Moon itself.
Blood Moon Diana
A child chosen by the Blood Moon itself, Diana's mind has been opened to the lost ways of the cult—unknown to its leaders, and even the slavering demons beyond. Hers is a truth no one can know, and a fated metamorphosis beyond men and the gods.
Blood Moon Jhin
Ink-mage, trained assassin, master of ceremonies: Jhin is all this and more, a grandiose figure whose encyclopedic knowledge of centuries-old rituals fuels the Blood Moon's hellish summoning rites. He knows the name of every demon, and how to direct them into a still-living vessel.
Blood Moon Katarina
An honored priestess of the Blood Moon cult, merged with the flesh of her demon as all priestesses are fated to be. Yet the descent of the Blood Moon has changed the nature of demons and humankind, and Katarina has begun her ascent into a newer, darker form.
Blood Moon Sivir
A newly anointed priestess of the Blood Moon cult, Sivir wields a weapon that is both a killing tool and a key to the hellish mirror world where all demons are born. Slowly but surely, it has merged her twinned selves, and now it is no longer clear where the human ends and the monster begins.
Blood Moon Twisted Fate
The Blood Moon cult's true leader is shrouded in whispers and hearsay. It is he who first passed the trial of the masks, and he who unraveled the secrets of surrendering one's flesh to the demon spirits. Whether he is still human, none can say—but he is ever present, and always watching.
Blood Moon Zilean
Manipulating the lunar cycle by fueling his temporal magic with human blood, Zilean is the face of the Blood Moon cult, and a hellish warlock of unimaginable power. His mind exists across the flow of time, communing with legions of demons from the past, present, and future.
Blood Moon Aatrox
Ancient manuscripts tracking the orbit of the Blood Moon describe it not as celestial phenomenon, but as a cosmic womb. As the seasons grow shorter and the cult's activity continues to increase, some worry it will give birth to a new kind of demon—a creature helping to bring about its own dark ascendance. A creature born in the heart of the Blood Moon, he is the progenitor of all demons, and a malignant darkness that will consume the entire world.
Blood Moon Evelynn
A seductive demon summoned on the night of the Blood Moon, Evelynn moves between isolated villages, wooing the residents until they fall deeply in love with her. One by one these poor souls will surely perish, their hearts torn from their still-living bodies.
Blood Moon Kalista
A demon of vengeance summoned on the night of the Blood Moon, Kalista's singular obsession with 'betrayers' knows no limits—any deception, no matter how trivial, will be met with death. Her victims are left hanging from the walls of their homes, a warning to those who remain.
Blood Moon Kennen
A kingslaying demon summoned on the night of the Blood Moon, Kennen's purpose is to depose those in power and eliminate every member of their line. He is ruthless in this task, tearing across heavily armed fortress cities in the blink of an eye.
Blood Moon Talon
An anarchic demon summoned on the night of the Blood Moon, Talon was once a human assassin who surrendered his flesh during one of the cult's possession rituals. He now kills indiscriminately, relishing the terror in his victim's dying eyes.
League of Legends: Skin Specific, misc universes
Date: 2020-02-09 05:27 am (UTC)Back to copy/pasting the official bios.
Omega Squad Teemo
Teemo once lived by a code. He's long since forgotten what it was, or even what started the fighting, but he does remember two things: nobody's innocent, and always settle your scores.
Omega Squad Veigar
A heavy artillery specialist with a serious chip on his shoulder, Veigar has a troubling habit of calling down huge amounts of explosive ordnance for even the most mundane problems. He thinks of it as “a fun quirk.”
Galaxy Slayer Zed
Zed was a promising Templar before he became host to the hivemind of ora and imbued with its alien essence. Able to morph his body into living weapons, he now sees himself as the perfect life form, deserving of all ora and destined to cleanse the galaxy of the weak.
Lunar Wraith Sylas
The hateful lord of the lunar wraiths, Sylas has waited eons to invade the heavenly realm, and depose its godly stewards. What happens to the balance between heaven and earth is not his concern; he simply craves chaos, and the hour of his triumph is fast approaching.
Enduring Sword Talon
A haughty dragon king of the south seas, Talon accepted a duel from the demigoddess Irelia, only to be defeated in his own throne room. Humiliated, he lashed out at her… and she sealed his power within her blade, tasking him with finding new purpose in the mortal realm.
Majestic Empress Morgana
Morgana envisions a world ruled by the gods alone—ultimately defeating their master and assuming the title of empress. A feared sorceress queen from the heavenly kingdoms, Morgana looked on with disdain as Irelia sealed away the power of a dragon. Crushing her in combat, Morgana soon realized the young demigoddess had hidden that power away, and now ruthlessly searches for a way to return it to its rightful owner.
Infernal Akali
A djinn summoned from the world below, the Infernal known as Akali will burn her patron's enemies to cinders… though the cost for such service is always dire.
Ashen Lord Aurelion Sol
Pyromancer cultists unwisely summoned the god of fire and ruin—the Ashen Lord—into the world hoping to control his power. Instead, he unleashed his infernal legions to remake all things in his image: cinder, ash, and death.
Infernal Diana
Chief among the lesser Infernals is Diana, a blistering elemental terror sent ahead of the main invasion forces to assassinate key officials and set cities ablaze. Even her kin regard her methods as extreme, and she has been rightly elevated for it.
Infernal Mordekaiser
An ancient, Infernal general who attacks without feeling or remorse, Mordekaiser raises the incinerated corpses of his victims as soldiers for his own vast armies. They sweep across the world like a burning plague, annihilating all life.
Wildfire Zyra
Once a forest nymph, Zyra was consumed by the Infernals' burning touch. Now, she seeks nothing more than to spread wildfire throughout the forests and valleys of her dying world.
Shadowfire Kindred
When the Ashen Lord rose, high priests of the Shadowfire Temple called upon their own god to fend off the all-consuming Infernals. They neglected, however, to account for the being's twin aspects: Destruction, and Rebirth. Kindred will fight the flames, but there may be a bitter price to pay before the end…
Blade Queen Lissandra
Ruler of a once mighty city, Lissandra was seduced by the promises of a monstrous shadow, whispering of esoteric power and eternal life. For this, she betrayed her people and gave them to darkness, so that in the shadow's womb she would be reborn an ageless monster.
League of Legends: Skin Specific, PROJECT/PROGRAM
Date: 2020-02-09 05:45 am (UTC)PROJECT: Jhin
After a botched surgery, Jhin went from being a black-market augment hacker to a notorious mechanized killer for hire. Still programmed with a taste for high-clearance upgrades, the tech Jhin takes from his victims has left him with a severe personality fragmentation, and a dark vision for the future of PROJECT... and humanity.
PROJECT: Jinx
Jinx volunteered for PROJECT conversion, never expecting that a critical power failure would scramble her memory core, leaving her a psychopath driven by the manic voices in her head. Seemingly obsessed with destruction for its own sake, she has begun to show signs of something far more sinister than mere memory fragmentation: the cold, calculating influence of Program.
PROJECT: Pyke
An early PROJECT prototype, Pyke's untested upgrades left him violently unstable—too much so for his handlers, who junked him and threw his remains outside the walls of the City. Yet his cybernetic brain survived, rebuilding Pyke with salvaged scrap parts from all around him, and now their fragmented, overlapping memories mix with his own as they scream out for revenge.
PROJECT: Zed
Rising from the Command Line, Zed is a leader within PROJECT's counter-espionage units. He seeks out the G/NETIC rebels with split high frequency blades and molecular “solid smoke” projectors, favoring close-proximity and multiple angle target laceration.
Program LeBlanc
Marketed as a diplomat-software avatar, LeBlanc is in fact a duplicitous intelligence that can interact seamlessly with human users. Created only to deceive, she has infiltrated a number of the most powerful corporations on the planet, and quietly awaits her final orders.
Program Lissandra
Built as an all-seeing security bot, Program Lissandra rose above her initial code to become a self-generating artificial intelligence. She manipulates the technology of augmented humans with her own mimetic commands, so that all will fall before her.
Program Nami
An aquatic search and rescue med-bot whose manufacturer was acquired in an aggressive corporate takeover, Nami has been irreversibly changed by the directives of Program. For now, she continues in her primary function… though her behavior has become increasingly erratic.
League of Legends: Skin Specific, misc 2
Date: 2020-02-09 06:03 am (UTC)Pulsefire Ezreal
Temporal fugitive and time-hopping explorer extraordinaire, Ezreal leaps across disparate realities searching for interesting technology to acquire. He is responsible for countless paradoxes and is currently wanted by the dystopian Remembrancers, who hunt him relentlessly.
Marquis Vladimir
At the last ball he attended, Vladimir stole everyone's heart. Strangely enough, no one has heard or seen those attendees since…
Star Guardian Rakan
Many years ago, Rakan was destroyed in the fight against Zoe, alongside his lover Xayah. The pair were then resurrected and turned against their allies -- a fact Rakan seems keenly aware of. Biding his time to strike, he has a plan to purify the darkness from Xayah's heart... though the price may be losing himself to evil forever.
Star Guardian Xayah
Many years ago, Xayah was destroyed in the fight against Zoe, alongside her lover Rakan. The pair were then resurrected and turned against their allies -- a change Xayah seems almost happy about. Blaming the Star Guardians for abandoning her to die, she has taken a bitter, personal stand against them, even as doubts begin to creep in...
Star Guardian Zoe
A member of the ancient, first group of Star Guardians, Zoe's heart desired not love, but chaos -- twisting her newfound power into a malignant expression of cosmic madness. After numberless eons of hunting the First Star's chosen, she has finally come to Valoran City, hoping to destroy the latest generation of Guardians as she has countless others.
Star Guardian Syndra
Feared and admired, Syndra is a formidable Star Guardian from an earlier era, whose history is cloaked in shadow. She acts as an advisor on Ahri's team, but despite her captain's trust, some members suspect there is no price that Syndra won't pay to achieve her personal ambitions.
The star gem for Syndra StarGuardianCircle Syndra curves inward while her team symbol curves outward. This might be an indication of her darker past. As referenced by Xayah StarGuardianCircle Xayah, she has history with the corrupted villain, Zoe StarGuardianCircle Zoe, who has a similarly shaped star gem.
Blade Mistress Morgana
Morgana is a deadly combatant and former pilot of the X09-Xibalba combat exosuit, as well as one of the last half-aliens alive in the galaxy. She has surgically hidden her suit's forbidden, lost technologies beneath her skin—her goal being to evade her sister, the mad military justicar, Kayle.
Authorized pilot of the X07-Gevurah combat exosuit, Kayle is a justicar of the Royal Space Military operating deep in the heart of lawless space. Though her mission is to uphold the fragile postwar peace, years of violent conflict have radicalized her—now she acts as heartless judge, jury, and executioner for anyone or anything that falls beneath her gaze.
Hannibal (from the TV series)
Date: 2020-02-11 02:06 am (UTC)This dick spends a whole season gaslighting Will Graham - his PSYCHIATRIC PATIENT - into thinking he's mentally ill, when he actually has untreated encephalitis, just to see what will happen. His weird murder crush escalates into framing Will for the death of their quasi-daughter figure Abigail. Fun! Hey doc, ever hear of maybe sending a freaking edible arrangement instead? Oh wait no forget I said that, because that's SEASON THREE. He murders and then Damien Hirsts fan favourite Beverly Katz (noooo) when she starts to figure it out.
When Will is absolved of Abigail's murder he continues to try to coax Will to murdertown. When he finds out Will is cheating on him with Jack Crawford he for real kills Abigail (who, surprise, he's been stockholm syndroming in his basement this whole time) in front of him, stabs him, and then runs off to Italy with his own psychiatrist...
There's really so much I don't even know what to put here. A few points:
- kidnaps a guy and makes him eat himself, slowly over the course of weeks (?) albeit deliciously prepared
- Cannibal
- shoves an EAR down Will's throat while he's drugged to make him think he ate abigail
- kills that poor cheese guy who just wanted to be friends
- eats people
- steals the woman Will was interested in while he was in jail
- eats a guy and steals his identity to gallivant across europe
- kills scarf guy who really thought he was gonna have a threesome, and origamis him into a valentine heart for Will
- He EATS PEOPLE
In conclusion, it fucking RHYMES.
Re: Hannibal (from the TV series)
Date: 2020-02-17 03:50 pm (UTC)Jet (ATLA) - Why he's a lowkey Trash Baby
Date: 2020-02-11 02:58 am (UTC)Celesto (Dominic Deegan (Webcomic)) Roast
Date: 2020-02-13 12:08 am (UTC)He really doesn't improve that much throughout the comic. All of his plots have supposedly-noble motives - he seems to buy into the Chosen's ideals that chaos can change the world for the better, and a lot of his victims are Asshole Victims - but at the end of the day, he still does stuff like try to kill a kid and blame the king for it to show everybody how evil the king is. (Celesto, WHAT. ENDS DON'T JUSTIFY THE MEANS HERE!)
Frustratingly enough, Dominic offers him a bunch of chances to be better throughout the comic, and never stops believing that Celesto has the opportunity to be a better person. Celesto always takes these comments in the worst way possible, though, to the point of being offended by them. It makes sense, but at the same time, it makes it that much clearer that he's not just an antagonist - he's a villain who really believes that his way is the only way.
The Handler (Umbrella Academy (TV)) Roast
Date: 2020-02-13 12:24 am (UTC)Some of the most villainous stuff, in my opinion, is subtext. The Handler uses Yiddish terms on occasion, and the Commission lives in the year 1955. However, the Handler's actress isn't Jewish, and she shows no other indications of being Jewish (no Star of David, references to holidays, etc.) Plenty of Jewish folks at this time would have hidden being Jewish of course, but then there's the question of the Commission itself. It seems odd that a Jewish woman would a) sign up to work for a world-controlling organization, considering the state of anti-semitic conspiracies or b) be so totally at peace with wiping out the human race. However, this all makes much more sense if you take her Yiddish words as cultural appropriation (oppressors taking on the language and culture of the oppressed as something 'catchy' or 'trendy') and know that in the comics, the Commission are explicitly white supremacists. This is also supported by the fact that despite the relative recence of it, there's no attempt to prevent the Holocaust, and the show directly debunks the idea that they can only fix things after their point in time by mentioning the Hindenburg disaster. Of course, the butterfly effect applies - but if she *were* Jewish, you would think it'd come up at least in passing.
In short, the Handler is a white-supremacist woman who uses Yiddish as 'aesthetic' slang, and sees the death of humanity (most of whom are not Aryan) as an acceptable or even desirable loss.
(P.S. I feel like I should note due to how possibly OTT I went here: one, I myself am Jewish, and two, I actually REALLY LIKE the Handler. Villains fun! but also, Am I Wrong.)
Re: The Handler (Umbrella Academy (TV)) Roast
Date: 2020-02-29 12:50 am (UTC)Homestuck villains
Date: 2020-02-15 09:56 am (UTC)Dirk - oh boy, where do I even START. He was originally a protagonist in the first Homestuck comics, but then it turned out that he went ... omniscience-mad? It's kind of difficult to explain but basically, he was aware of everything his alternate universe selves were aware of and that is TOO MUCH POWER FOR ANY ONE MAN, EVEN ONE AS SMART AS HIM, so he started pulling the strings of all his friends, set off a racist dictatorship, made another friend poop his pants on stage, convinced a third friend to semi-kill-herself to become a robot and is now apparently trying for grand ruler of the multiverse? Unless that's also part of his terrible scheme-within-a-scheme, I honestly don't know, I have given up on trying to make sense of all of this, but Dirk is DEFINITELY into villainous territory now and it's kind of sad BUT it gives me a reason to nom him for this, so yeah.
Re: Homestuck villains
Date: 2020-02-15 11:05 am (UTC)The Condescense: Evil empress of a galactic empire, tries to wipe out humankind, ruthlessly kills her own people when they try to rise against her.
Horror Terrors: Basically the Homestuck version of the Cthulhu mythos, ancient elder gods who drive people to madness and lurk out in space instead of in the depths of the ocean.
Neophyte Redglare: Part of an evil empire, is the troll version of a lawyer upholding terrible, terrible blood caste laws.
Re: Homestuck villains
From:Re: Homestuck villains
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From: (Anonymous) - Date: 2020-02-17 03:59 pm (UTC) - ExpandRe: Homestuck villains
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From:Lotor (Voltron Legendary Defender) Roast
Date: 2020-02-15 10:01 am (UTC)-lies a lot, hides things from supposed friends and allies a lot
-blames a political rival for his own crime
-kills a friend when he believes she has betrayed him
-whatever the fuck happened in the second colony
-whatever the bullshit he was yelling during his mental breakdown was
Cons:
-his main motivation was protecting people
-was shown to be compassionate when the cultural norm was not to be
-actually successfully saved his ethnic group from genocide
-late into the series the heroes do the same he was accussed of doing and face no consequence
Re: Lotor (Voltron Legendary Defender) Roast
Date: 2020-02-28 05:42 pm (UTC)Yuugiou villains
Date: 2020-02-15 10:29 am (UTC)Ryuuji Otogi: NOT the anime version, the manga version! The one who was raised to believe his whole life was about revenge, who was warped and twisted by an abusive, genuinely insane magic-worker father, who had no problem with anything his father did and who accepted being whipped over the face as a just punishment for losing a game. He may be more of an anti-hero than a villain, but I figured I'd put him in here anywhere!
Yami no Malik: To be honest, nobody is entirely sure if he's a splintered part of Malik's mind and the show just handled DID BADLY or if he's some sort of shadow spirit that possessed Malik but either way, he skinned Malik's abusive father, then tried to kill Malik's brother, Malik's sister, take over Malik's body permanently, kill the protags, kill the secondary villain Yami no Bakura and basically just MURDER, ALL THE MURDER. Also possession of an unwilling body.
Yami no Bakura: Kills people, robs tombs, possesses bodies without permission, tries to kill people, is the primary antagonist for most of the series.
Re: Yuugiou villains
Date: 2020-02-15 09:56 pm (UTC)Death-T was a trip, y’all.
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From:Animorphs
Date: 2020-02-15 10:33 am (UTC)David: Sells out the human race by trying to help the Yeerks (aliens that possess people by crawling into their brains), later tries to kill one of the protagonists.
Re: Animorphs
Date: 2020-02-22 03:08 am (UTC)-Wants to enslave Earth by launching all-out war, which would have led to the death of millions.
-Kills his own people (other Yeerks) in fits of rage and is technically sentenced to death for it, only avoiding the sentence because they had no one to replace him with.
-Is willing to sacrifice hundreds of his own people when the Animorphs threaten to poison the Yeerk pool with a substance (oatmeal) that drives Yeerks mad.
-Attempts to surgically modify Hork-Bajir in order for them to breathe under water. This fails, and they all die painfully.
-Cuts his own brother off from Kandrona, the Yeerk food source.
-And he doesn't just prefer involuntary hosts; he enjoys it.
He cares for nothing except power and doesn't care how many have to die for it. Oh and here's a fun tidbit. When he briefly enslaves Aldrea (an Andalite on the Hork-Bajir home world), he says, "You are mine! My host! My slave!" He is undeniably awful.
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From:Galactik Football
Date: 2020-02-15 10:59 am (UTC)Artegor: Coach of above-mentioned alien team, tries to steal players off human team, lets human player use alien ability even though it made him sick/ended his career, secondary antagonist.
Season 2 Rocket: Gets kicked off human team, starts playing underground football, somehow that turns him evil and makes him break another player's ankle and not care about it, and also nearly demolishes his girlfriend? Honestly, I've never really understood that plotline though I've loved it, evil Rocket is just so much better than normal Rocket.
Haikyuu: villains
Date: 2020-02-15 11:02 am (UTC)Kageyama: Starts season off as being an antisocial superior jerk who thinks he's better than his team and doesn't like TEAMWORK which is a major sports anime nono.
Oikawa: Arrogant hardworking dude who doesn't want to tutor Kageyama? More of 'HE IS EVIL BECAUSE HE OPPOSES THE PROTAGONIST'S GOALS' but not really evil in himself.
Harry Potter villains
Date: 2020-02-15 11:07 am (UTC)Gellert Grindelwald: Caused a massive war, magic-user supremacist, kills people, KILLED A SMALL LITTLE MAGICAL CREATURE THAT ONLY WANTED TO BE LOVED -- actually screw this, I don't want to write him anymore, but I'm nominating him in case someone else does. I liked him much more as Albus' evil gay boyfriend instead of KILLER OF INNOCENT CREATURES.
Re: Harry Potter villains
Date: 2020-02-15 10:20 pm (UTC)My theory is that the basilisk was supposed to be a "hey so we can use this against any rampaging hordes of racists and witch-hunters if they so happen to hear from their kid about the magic school".
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From:Prince of Tennis villains
Date: 2020-02-15 11:15 am (UTC)Hajime Mizuki: Manipulative ASSHOLE! Not so much about the physical damage but emotionally manipulates Yuuta Fuji and has a weird obsession with Yuuta's brother. He's just so smart and evil and I love it.
Kevin Smith: Arrogant, stubborn and hurts several players during tennis matches JUST to get the protag's attention. Seriously, he just travels from school to school, smashing people up physically during games of tennis, so Ryoma will notice him.
Jin Akutsu: "In striking contrast to his former karate classmate Kawamura, Akutsu is very violent, stirring up trouble wherever he goes. Akutsu plays tennis violently and is widely known around Tokyo as a young bully. Students at both Seigaku and Ginka have been his victims. " - taken from the wiki!