The Eligibility Roast Post
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villainous_big_bang This is the official Eligibility Roast Post! (I did not do that on purpose, but why change a good thing?)
This will open officially on February 15th, but there's definitely some folks already excited - so from now until Feb 15th, comments will be screened. This means you can post your roast, but rebuttals and confirmations of eligibility won't start happening until the 15th.
Comments are unscreened! You can still post new comments, but now you can respond as well - let the counter-roasting BEGIN!
This post closes for comments on the 29th.
Here's how this works. Comment below with your argument concerning a villain from any piece of media - anime, video game, concept album, group of advertisements, any fictional medium with something resembling a Story - and why they are, in fact, a villain. You can be as daring as you want, but here are the main things your argument needs to cover.
1) Does the story seem to think this character is a villain?
2) Is the character villainous from the perspective of other characters?
3) Is the character villainous from the perspective of readers?
The format is pretty loose, but here's an example for one of the villains already on the list.
TITLE: ENVY (FMA 2003) ROAST
"Envy from Fullmetal Alchemist (2003) is a villain of the worst kind - he's cruel, sadistic and self-centered. He's most known for the murder of a beloved fan-favourite, but he also taunts the main characters with their own mistakes and uses his shape-shifting powers to get into people's heads. He never shows any remorse, and while he has a sympathetic backstory, it only shows up at the end and doesn't excuse any of his actions. He also beats the crap out of a ten-year-old, more than once, which just solidifies the case for him being a Grade-A Asshole."
Please include the specific franchise they're from (if you want to make a case for Envy from FMA; Brotherhood that's a new post!), list some of their misdeeds and in general keep in mind that the mods have not seen or read most of the franchises you'll likely be referencing.
If you would like to REBUT somebody's villain roast, just reply to their comment and explain why the character is - in your view - not a villain! Keep in mind that while Serious Meta is entertaining in its own right, this is largely just for fun. If you start getting really, truly personally invested in whether we do or don't see a character as a villain, take a moment to go catch your breath.
What villain is NOT code for:
'ethically wrong to like' character
pedophile
monster with no redeeming qualities (it's true for some of them, but not all!)
unredeemable
unlikeable
What eligibility roasts should NOT do:
'This is why [X] was justified'
'Sure, it was genocide, but it wasn't THAT bad.'
Otherwise downplay the villainous deeds - that's the exact opposite of what we want!
As villains are approved, they'll appear on the eligibility list.
Comments are unscreened! You can still post new comments, but now you can respond as well - let the counter-roasting BEGIN!
This post closes for comments on the 29th.
Here's how this works. Comment below with your argument concerning a villain from any piece of media - anime, video game, concept album, group of advertisements, any fictional medium with something resembling a Story - and why they are, in fact, a villain. You can be as daring as you want, but here are the main things your argument needs to cover.
1) Does the story seem to think this character is a villain?
2) Is the character villainous from the perspective of other characters?
3) Is the character villainous from the perspective of readers?
The format is pretty loose, but here's an example for one of the villains already on the list.
TITLE: ENVY (FMA 2003) ROAST
"Envy from Fullmetal Alchemist (2003) is a villain of the worst kind - he's cruel, sadistic and self-centered. He's most known for the murder of a beloved fan-favourite, but he also taunts the main characters with their own mistakes and uses his shape-shifting powers to get into people's heads. He never shows any remorse, and while he has a sympathetic backstory, it only shows up at the end and doesn't excuse any of his actions. He also beats the crap out of a ten-year-old, more than once, which just solidifies the case for him being a Grade-A Asshole."
Please include the specific franchise they're from (if you want to make a case for Envy from FMA; Brotherhood that's a new post!), list some of their misdeeds and in general keep in mind that the mods have not seen or read most of the franchises you'll likely be referencing.
If you would like to REBUT somebody's villain roast, just reply to their comment and explain why the character is - in your view - not a villain! Keep in mind that while Serious Meta is entertaining in its own right, this is largely just for fun. If you start getting really, truly personally invested in whether we do or don't see a character as a villain, take a moment to go catch your breath.
What villain is NOT code for:
'ethically wrong to like' character
pedophile
monster with no redeeming qualities (it's true for some of them, but not all!)
unredeemable
unlikeable
What eligibility roasts should NOT do:
'This is why [X] was justified'
'Sure, it was genocide, but it wasn't THAT bad.'
Otherwise downplay the villainous deeds - that's the exact opposite of what we want!
As villains are approved, they'll appear on the eligibility list.
Jason Todd (Batman) Roast
Date: 2020-02-08 08:08 am (UTC)Re: Jason Todd (Batman) Roast
Date: 2020-02-15 09:44 am (UTC)I didn't nominate him myself because I actually think that he's more of an anti-hero than a villain (he PRIMARILY kills bad guys, I'm not going to say a kid killing a rapist is a bad thing) since he doesn't really go out of his way to kill the heroes unless they interfere with him or go after him first. Which, of course they do, because they don't approve of killing at all, even if it's only bad guys that die.
THAT SAID, within the context of the DC universe, he's WAY more to the dark side on the sliding scale of cynicism vs idealism. He's sort of like the Punisher, really, where yes he's killing the bad guys but HE KILLS A LOT OF BAD GUYS, which 'purer' heroes find objectionable?
I actually think in a setting like The Authority, they wouldn't consider him a bad guy, especially since he's back with the Batfam now, but I'm not trying to downplay the fact that Jason kills a lot of people! I just wanted to give more context for why Jason, to me, is more of an anti-hero than an actual villain.
(Closest comparison I can think of is the Punisher and if you've seen the Netflix show, you KNOW that dude's got a body count like a dog has hair. The Daredevil/Punisher crossover ep perfectly demonstrates the line where Jason falls, damned by the angels for slaying the demons.)
Re: Jason Todd (Batman) Roast
Date: 2020-02-15 10:14 pm (UTC)